The Eric Von Wade Show
ORIGINAL BROADCAST DATE: Tuesday, January 22, 2008
I appeared on the Eric Von Wade radio show out of Corpus Cristi, Texas on Tuesday to talk about Scientology. Minutes before the show started, I gave the url to Eric’s website on the alt.religion.scientology newsgroup, encouraging folks to listen.
I waited till the last minute so Scientology would not be able to harass Eric prior to the show. I knew, however, that they would be instantly alerted and would respond. Before the show was half finished, Scientology PR lady Pat Harney was on the phone, itching to respond.
The producer of the show asked me if I would be willing to have her be part of the show and I said, “Absolutely. I would love to talk to her.”
In my solo first half of the show, I brought up as much material as I could to respond to Eric’s questions. He wanted to know about the beliefs so I filled him in with the mythology of the evil overlord Xenu blowing us up with hydrogen bombs and covering us with BT’s. I explained the bait-and-switch aspects of the religion. How low level members have no idea what lays ahead and yet clearing Body Thetans is really what you set out to do when you start on to the Bridge to Total Freedom.
We talked about the expensive nature of the courses, the fact that OT’s can’t talk about the secret material to their closest family members or friends, the various methods Scientology uses to find new members through stress tests, drug rehab programs or business management courses. How Scientology “finds their ruin” to get them in and methods they use to keep them in.
I brought up Fair Game and Eric wanted to have an example of someone who was attacked with Fair Game and I gladly filled him in on Paulette Cooper and the evil tactics they ran on her and how her name was cleared only after the FBI raided Scientology’s headquarters and found the detailed operations in their files.
We talked Snow White and the fact that Mary Sue and other top officials went to prison for their crimes. I brought up KR’s and sec checks and did my best to make it all make sense to people who may be unfamiliar with the subject.
Then at the half hour mark, Pat got on the show and was outraged that I would tell such “lies” and that I was well known to her. She repeatedly accused me of spending months “outside her door,” shouting obscenities and videotaping her. Now, I have no idea where “her door” is but she has to be referring to the the Clearwater bank building because that’s where I would occasionally see her working. As for shouting obscenities, I would love to see those tapes because that is not me at all.
The other charge she made a few times is that I was in Clearwater “till my money dried up.” It sounded like she was almost sorry I was gone. “Gee, it’s a shame your money dried up because I enjoyed the shouted obscenities.” Sorry I had to take another job, Pat.
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ORIGINAL BROADCAST DATE: Wednesday, January 23, 2008
She repeats both of her insults about me in the radio show you’re about to hear. This was her hour and she wanted to make the most of it. She brings out the usual defenses for the group but answers honestly when Eric asks her where she is on the Bridge. She admits she is not yet Clear. That actually surprised me. All those years and not yet clear.
Pat talks about the wonderful programs like Narconon and Applied Scholastic and the Way to Happiness and then at the half hour, Tory Christman calls in and Pat has to respond to someone who actually has some inside knowledge of how the group works.
This unsettles her. Tory talks about Disconnection and Pat says “We bring families together!” Tory talks about Joel Phillips and Religious Freedom Watch and Pat has no idea who he is. Tory calls Pat out on the truth of how much it costs in Scientology and Pat freaks out and pretends she was totally honest in her estimates.
In the final segment, I’m able to call in and point out the Scientology policy of TR-L and explain how Pat told an acceptable truth when she said the day before that she had been in Scientology for years and had never read anything about Xenu and BT’s. Yes, because she is not even Clear.
What happened next almost made my jaw drop. Pat admits TR-L was a church policy and I read a definition from their technical dictionary. Eric asks if she was trying to not discuss things she wasn’t supposed to talk about and she says…”Exactly!”
Does your church train it’s parishioners to lie? Or is this yet another way Scientology isn’t like any religion the St. Petersburg Times knows?
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Here is just the final phone call from me and Pat’s response which may get her in a bit of Ethics trouble back at the Org. She says I’m not an expert on Scientology. It seems I may be more of an expert than she is.
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