The OT Panel

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1. Brian says:

   December 3, 2009 at 3:07 pm

   I’d like to bring some balance here, if you will. I see a lot of the people who post here are already set in their minds.

   I’m not here to sell Scientology – i left it. I left in dec of 2007 after being harassed to fork over thousands by a one, Jim Conely Sea Org member.

   That said – I dont get these videos. They are supposed to show how “bad” scientology is, but these very people are USING Scientology methods in the damn video. Video 1 is unavail, so i went to video 2. This guy and his wife start talking and use the same knowledg they gained from Hubbard’s writing to describe how the church was with them (i.e. surpressives.) Another lady starts talking about a kid and his parents and how they fight, etc. and she starts doing a “demo” on the kid “if this pencil represents…” blah blah.

   So first – they evidently found some value in the system because they continue the practices they learned.

   Second – this is a religion conversion result. Look, everyone who has a religious conversion (which includes leaving said religion) has an initial thrust of power. “The Satanic Verses” was written by a guy who left Islam for Christianity. His conversion causes him to have this new mental state. Such a state can cause one to overcome a compuslion, an addiction – a lot of stuff.

   That said it’s no big deal they leave scientology to become better husbands/wives… or parents. conversely people can say the same who find Scientology… Islam… Chrsitianity… Paganism… Aethism.

   This is just another “I left because i didn’t like it.. i got better… so everyone should leave and be like me.”

   it’s the lack of freedom – it’s the mindset of “do what i do.” which is the same mindset of the church system they left.
2. Brian says:

   December 3, 2009 at 3:26 pm

   I would add that video # 3 is pretty interesting – especially with the guy who kicks off that video.

   When he mentions that according to the church no one has attained to Clear or OT, that’s very interesting.

   However – even he uses Scientology methods. So I just gotta ask… and wonder… if they found no value in the system, why do they keep using the system outside the church? If they are just against the church but not against the teachings… then say so.

   They seem to be against the teachings and it’s odd because they use the same damn teachings in this video. the lingo, the demo’s, the models.

   Towards the end, the one guy’s wife says “it’s not a religion because they persecute you if you leave.” Um, that’s the hallmark of religion. It’s only the modern era that this has been stopped, due to political and legal stands by government. In the past, if you were declared a pagan, the Catholic church killed you.

   EVEN TODAY, if you are found to be a Freemason, in the Catholic church – the church will automatically excomunicate you – which is fairly close to the description of some of Scientology Disconnect. The Catholic church has no logical reason for this. They do not automatically excommunicate people who are practicing paganism… but if you’re a Freemason – look out.

   I can’t help but think that people are ignoring what common (such as the Catholic Church) and condeming what’s odd and different (Scientology.)
3. XENU TV says:

   December 3, 2009 at 5:51 pm

   Refresh the page and try watching video one again, Brian. It is a working video.

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   September 29, 2009 at 3:15 am

   [...] In the year 2000, Xenu TV assembled a panel of four former Scientologists who all achieved level OT 7, the church’s second highest level.  These people provided amazing insight as to why they chose to continue to believe in Scientology even when they started having doubts.  All of the following quotes are from Xenu TV’s OT Panel video. [...]